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Why gun control is BS

Discussion in 'General Open/Public Discussion' started by Brokentusk, 10 Oct 2010.


  1. Brokentusk

    Brokentusk DragonWolf

  2. Manitou

    Manitou Old War Horse DragonWolf

    Dang...random violence is scary.
     
  3. I H8 on gun control. Its right in the constitution, and almost every state constitution says its for what its supposed to be. The public is supposed to beable to defend its self from the government. It is supposed to beable to compete with the US Military so that if it were to become corupt the public would have at least some abilty to defend its self.
     
  4. Brokentusk

    Brokentusk DragonWolf

    My dad always said if you were to walk into the signing of the Declaration of Independence and say "Hey, we shouldn't let regular people own guns." you'd been tossed out a window. If you were lucky.

    Of course my dad was also a guy that when he shot at someone, the cops first question was, "Why'd you miss?"

    (motel manager who prevented a few robberies)
     
    Last edited: 12 Oct 2010
  5. symen

    symen DragonWolf

    That's f***ed up. What has to be going through a person's head for the act of stabbing a random eight-year-old to even occur to them, let alone seem like a good idea?

    Agreed. Hell, I've lived most of my life in places where you pretty much need to have some sort of firearm handy (I wouldn't want to try to get a cornered porcupine out of my attic or clear out poisonous snakes without one).

    This isn't actually the purpose of the 2nd Amendment (not that it isn't necessarily a valid reason to own guns, it just isn't the stated purpose of the amendment). The 2nd amendment reads:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    The purpose isn't for the public to compete with the US Military, the purpose is for the public to be the US Military. The Militia Act of 1792 reads:

    "That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, ... every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock..."

    This made a lot of sense in the late 18th century, when invasion of the mainland US was a recent occurrence, and a distinct possibility of a repeat occurrence existed. It makes just as much, if not more, sense today. We're a global power today, the only one left, and there are plenty out there who wouldn't mind seeing us taken down a few notches. I live within a few miles of the national border, and it gives me a nice sense of security to know that we're armed to the teeth.
     
  6. Brokentusk

    Brokentusk DragonWolf

  7. Hamma

    Hamma Commanding Officer Officer

    Officer
    The intent of the founding fathers as well was for us to be able to defend ourselves against our own government should it come to that. It may not be written as law somewhere but there is plenty of quotes to back it up.

    Sadly, I don't have any of them right now. :p
     
  8. Brokentusk

    Brokentusk DragonWolf

    I always read the 2nd amendment to mean - A militia is vital to the preservation, therefore the citizen should always be allowed to keep arms.

    Or in other words, you can't have a militia with out armed citizens, ergo you need armed citizens.

    Or in even another way, armed citizens are the very last line of defense of the country and should never be infringed.
     
  9. symen

    symen DragonWolf

    Yeah, all of these.

    Now, as written, I think the 2nd Amendment is actually a little narrow, as it only covers the ownership of weapons for the purpose of a militia, a "well regulated" militia at that. This opens the door to, say, only allowing ownership of military-appropriate weapons, and requiring military training in their use as a condition of ownership. There's nothing in there that says the government can't ban, to go back to one of my earlier examples, a .22 rifle useful for dusting copperheads. That being said, there's enough precedent supporting a broader interpretation at this point that the amendment functionally exists as it should.
     
  10. Gun control works fairly well up here, only the criminals and cops have them.
    That being said, the random acts of violence and crimes of passion are done with knives and bats here. I think it takes more guts to stab or beat a person to death then shoot them. By removing the guns from the equation, the real cowards don't commit the crime.
     

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